Eyewitness: From Black Mountain to White Rabbit
Carolyn Dunn, interviewed by Kevin Killian
Granary, 2015

A sidekick or co-perpetrator, Carolyn Dunn went along with Joe Dunn.
They raised a postwar ruckus in the mid 1950s, through a remarkable chain of poetry circumstances and at least two ‘renaissances’ — including life in Boston, a stay at Black Mountain and most notably, after Jack Spicer lent them airfare, a move to San Francisco. Carolyn and Joe dabbled in the antic art of saying yes, allowing events that unfold in
Eyewitness, Carolyn’s memoir/conversation/exposé.
To strains of Charles Mingus and “Shake, Rattle and Roll,” what seem exquisite are Carolyn’s clear verbal snapshots that add up to realia and hard data for digging these extraordinary events. Saying yes is central to Carolyn and Joe’s friendship and marriage. When Spicer made that airfare offer, Carolyn’s reaction is unambiguous:
We couldn’t pass that up! So in San Francisco, as in Boston and at Black Mountain, Carolyn Dunn was partner and daily witness to Joe Dunn in service to poetry.
Joe’s was a special life that no one aspires to, in fact no one can. It comes to one rather than the other way around. Early friendship with John Wieners in Boston led to both John and Joe attending the last weeks of Black Mountain College on scholarship (using teabags three times to save money). For Joe and Carolyn this is followed soon by returning briefly to Boston, driving there from Black Mountain in a used car they named Opus in Pastels (after Stan Kenton), covered in rust patches and pink and purple anti-rust applications. After a few months in Boston, they made a well-timed move west to reunite raucously with other poets from Black Mountain. Once settled in the Bay Area Joe cofounded White Rabbit Press, “steadfast printers” to poets of the San Francisco Renaissance (Kyle Schlesinger). Joe’s was a daring physical commitment — Carolyn’s memoir confirms Joe covertly ran off the first ten White Rabbit books on an offset press at his work. More remarkable, Carolyn and Joe bet the house, their first floor furnished apartment on Jackson St, turning their quarters into an open meet for poets where “a party atmosphere prevailed” (Ellingham and Killian) along with an ongoing workshop for young writers to read new poems and discuss their work.
As memoir,
Eyewitness is “one HELLUVA ride!!!” to quote Carolyn Dunn’s last thoughts about her times with Joe. As conversation, Kevin Killian is the Platonic ideal of interlocutor — gently prompting Carolyn’s memories from 60 years ago, big ideas and small (“You and Joe had cats…”); he’s on alert supplying frameworks to place detailed domestic recollections within a chronology of poetics events.
Eyewitness sketches over blank lines of the Dunns’ adventure, enabling us to imagine more readily their concentrated work-cum-open-house in which first-order poetics was famously redefined as the praxis of poetry and discussion. It reveals salient points about Jack Spicer coming to the Dunns, first in Boston, later in San Francisco. Many others follow, Robert Duncan, Denise Levertov, Robert Creeley, Helen Adam, Robin Blaser et al. Of course, John Wieners. Joe and Carolyn were touched all over by these beings. Carolyn’s yes in partnership with Joe's enabled his youthful service to poets, service that became a lifelong celebration to the lucky few of the Black Mountain persuasion(s), their processes, their poems.